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People v. Pacchioli

California Court of Appeal · D014227 · 1992-09-25 · Published · 9 Cal. App. 4th 1331 · 12 Cal. Rptr. 2d 156 · 92 Cal. Daily Op. Serv. 8074 · 92 Daily Journal DAR 13171 · 1992 Cal. App. LEXIS 1146

The PEOPLE, Plaintiff and Respondent, v. RICHARD JOSEPH PACCHIOLI, Defendant and Appellant

Area
criminal
Panel
Richard D. Huffman, Sr. (author)

Analysis

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The trial court ruled that Pacchioli's statements to a probation officer made after his initial guilty plea were admissible for impeachment purposes if he testified at trial, leading Pacchioli to decline to testify. The Court of Appeal affirmed the judgment, holding that under Proposition 8 and federal law, the statements were not legislatively compelled and thus admissible for impeachment, denying Pacchioli's due process and Fifth Amendment claims.

Ruling reviewedStandardThe courtThe model
Admissibility of statements to probation officer for impeachment
“we conclude Pacchioli’s Fifth Amendment rights were not violated under the circumstances of this case.”
de novocorrectagree with court
agree with court

Authorities

  • relied: People v. May (1988) 44 Cal.3d 309 — Proposition 8 abrogated judicial exclusionary rules based on self-incrimination except where required by the US Constitution; statements violating Miranda can be used for impeachment.
  • relied: Harris v. New York (1971) 401 U.S. 222 — Inadmissible statements can be used to impeach a testifying defendant whose trial testimony conflicts with earlier statements.
  • relied: People v. Markham (1989) 49 Cal.3d 63 — Only legislatively compelled testimony cannot be used against the testifier for any purpose under the federal Constitution.
  • relied: People v. Goodner (1992) 7 Cal.App.4th 1324 — Statements made in a probation report are not legislatively compelled and are admissible; Evidence Code section 940 does not preserve the judicially created exclusionary rule in light of Proposition 8.
  • relied: People v. Harrington (1970) 2 Cal.3d 991 — Admissions made to a probation officer are generally inadmissible for substantive evidence or impeachment, subject to exceptions and Proposition 8 analysis.
  • relied: People v. Hicks (1971) 4 Cal.3d 757 — Reaffirmed Harrington holding that admissions to probation officers are inadmissible to encourage free communication.
  • relied: People v. Coleman (1975) 13 Cal.3d 867 — Due process requires the prosecution to prove guilt through its own evidence, but allows impeachment if testimony is clearly inconsistent, balancing competing constitutional rights.
  • relied: Minnesota v. Murphy (1984) 465 U.S. 420 — A probationer's general obligation to answer truthfully does not convert voluntary statements into compelled statements.

The appellate opinion: sound — sound

How this analysis was made · dispute it

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After Pacchioli withdrew a guilty plea in a methamphetamine-for-sale case, the trial court ruled in limine that statements he had made to a probation officer during the post-plea presentence interview could be used to impeach him if he testified contrary to them, and he therefore did not testify and was convicted; he was sentenced to four years eight months on that conviction and a later plea in a second case. The Court of Appeal, in the published portion, held the impeachment ruling violated neither the Fifth Amendment nor due process because Proposition 8 abrogated the Harrington/Hicks exclusionary rule and federal law (Harris v. New York) permits impeachment with statements that were not legislatively compelled, and it affirmed both judgments.

Ruling reviewedStandardThe courtThe model
In limine ruling that Pacchioli's statements to the probation officer (made after his later-withdrawn guilty plea) could be used to impeach him if he testified inconsistently at trial
“We thus cannot say that the trial court’s ruling was erroneous or that Pacchioli was denied due process or a fair trial.”
unclearcorrectagree with court
The court does not articulate a standard but treats the question as one of law. Its reasoning tracks People v. May and People v. Markham: Proposition 8 (Cal. Const., art. I, § 28) abrogated judicially created exclusionary rules such as Harrington/Hicks except where federal law compels exclusion, and under Harris v. New York and New Jersey v. Portash only legislatively compelled statements are barred for all purposes. Pacchioli made no showing of compulsion, so impeachment use was permissible; the Coleman analogy, though the court concedes Coleman was limited to probation revocations, is consistent with a case-in-chief/impeachment distinction. The status-quo-ante due process argument from plea withdrawal (Sutherland, Mancheno) was adequately answered by the point that restoring the plea bargain's position does not create a right to testify falsely. Goodner, a published Court of Appeal decision reaching the same result on Prop 8 grounds, supports the conclusion.
Trial court's further ruling that any defense testimony short of acknowledging ownership of the drugs would be an implicit denial triggering impeachment with the probation-officer statement
“if the thrust of the defendant’s testimony was explicitly or implicitly a denial that the drugs were his, [it] would consider that to be grounds for impeachment by the contrary statement to the probation officer.”
unclearnot reachedunsure
The opinion recites this ruling (based on People v. Teshara and People v. James) but does not separately analyze whether it swept too broadly in treating virtually any testimony as an implicit denial, which is what actually deterred Pacchioli from testifying on collateral matters. The court instead resolved the appeal on the general admissibility question and declined to decide the Luce-Collins preservation issue, observing that prejudice would be speculative. Without analysis of this scope question, I cannot assess whether it was correct.

Authorities

  • relied: People v. May (1988) 44 Cal.3d 309 — Proposition 8 abrogated judicially created exclusionary rules based on the self-incrimination privilege except where exclusion is required by the federal Constitution; statements inadmissible in the case-in-chief under Miranda may be used to impeach a testifying defendant.
  • relied: Harris v. New York (1971) 401 U.S. 222 — Statements obtained in violation of Miranda may be used to impeach a defendant whose trial testimony conflicts with them; the privilege to testify does not include a right to commit perjury.
  • relied: People v. Markham (1989) 49 Cal.3d 63 — After Proposition 8 the federal preponderance standard governs voluntariness determinations, and only legislatively compelled testimony is barred for all purposes under the federal Constitution.
  • relied: People v. Goodner (1992) 7 Cal.App.4th 1324 — Statements in a probation report are not legislatively compelled, and Evidence Code section 940 does not preserve the Hicks exclusionary rule after Proposition 8 in light of Minnesota v. Murphy.
  • relied: People v. Coleman (1975) 13 Cal.3d 867 — Judicially created rule excluding a probationer's revocation-hearing testimony from the prosecution's case-in-chief at a later trial, but permitting its use to impeach clearly inconsistent trial testimony.
  • relied: Minnesota v. Murphy (1984) 465 U.S. 420 — A probationer's obligation to appear and answer a probation officer truthfully does not convert otherwise voluntary statements into compelled ones; disclosures made without invoking the privilege may be used in a criminal prosecution.
  • relied: People v. Harrington (1970) 2 Cal.3d 991 — Pre-Proposition 8 rule that admissions to a probation officer made in hope of a favorable report are inadmissible for substantive evidence or impeachment at a retrial; treated as abrogated for impeachment purposes.
  • relied: People v. Hicks (1971) 4 Cal.3d 757 — Reaffirmed the Harrington/Quinn exclusionary rule based on the policy of free communication between defendant and probation authorities; held superseded by Proposition 8 and federal law.
  • relied: Ramona R. v. Superior Court (1985) 37 Cal.3d 802 — Statements effectively compelled by a legislative scheme (juvenile fitness presumption) carry use immunity preserved through Evidence Code section 940; distinguished because Pacchioli's statements were not legislatively compelled.
  • relied: People v. Collins (1986) 42 Cal.3d 378 — A defendant who does not testify generally cannot complain of an in limine impeachment ruling, and prejudice from such a ruling is wholly speculative; cited but not applied as a basis for decision.
  • relied: People v. Alesi (1967) 67 Cal.2d 856 — Exception to the Harrington rule for statements made to a probation officer under the guiding hand of counsel without asserting privilege; noted but not resolved because federal law was dispositive.

The appellate opinion: sound with gaps — The court correctly applies May, Markham, Harris and Murphy to conclude that Proposition 8 removed the Harrington/Hicks bar on impeachment use of non-compelled statements to a probation officer, and its Coleman analogy sensibly answers the plea-withdrawal due process claim. It does not, however, address the trial court's broad Teshara/James ruling that nearly any defense testimony would open the door, nor does it resolve the Luce-Collins preservation question, leaving the practical chilling-effect argument only partly answered.

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Opinion — Huffman

*1333 Opinion

HUFFMAN, J.

Richard Joseph Pacchioli appeals from the judgments of two separate drug convictions and enhancements, and the four-year, eight-month prison term imposed for them. He contends the trial court improperly denied his Penal Code 2 section 1538.5 motions to suppress evidence in each case, improperly denied his motion to discover the confidential informant in the second case, and improperly imposed a sentence which violates the double-the-base-term limitation of section 1170.1, subdivision (g). Pacchioli also complains that during the trial of the first case, he was deterred from testifying because of an erroneous evidentiary ruling by the trial court and was prejudicially harmed by prosecutorial misconduct during the closing arguments. As explained below, we affirm.

Procedural Background and Summary 3

Pacchioli was originally charged by information in San Diego Superior Court case number CRN16862 with the possession and the possession for sale of methamphetamine (meth) (Health & Saf. Code, §§ 11377, subd. (a), 11378) stemming from the drugs found in the search of his property on September 19, 1989. He was also alleged to be personally armed with a firearm at the time of the search. (§ 12022, subd. (b).)

While he was released on bail pending further proceedings in CRN16862, another search of his property on December 19, 1989, revealed more meth and weapons, triggering the filing of another information (in San Diego Super. Ct. case No. CRN17688) charging him with the possession for sale of those drugs and enhancement allegations for use of a firearm and for committing the charged offense while released from custody on bail (§ 12022.1).

On May 25, 1990, Pacchioli pleaded guilty in both cases, admitting two counts of possession of meth for sale and the section 12022.1 allegation. In exchange for his plea, all other charges were dismissed, including a separately pending misdemeanor case against him and all charges in CRN16862 against his girlfriend Mary Keim.

On July 17,1990, Pacchioli was allowed to withdraw his guilty pleas, and the matters were set for motions and trial.

*1334 On August 8 and 15, 1990, San Diego Superior Court Judge Charles R. Hayes heard Pacchioli’s motions to change attorneys under People v. Marsden (1970) 2 Cal.3d 118 [84 Cal.Rptr. 156, 465 P.2d 44], to suppress evidence under section 1538.5 in each case, to discover the identity of the confidential informant in CRN17688, and to dismiss the firearm allegation in CRN 168 62 pursuant to section 995. All motions, except the motion to dismiss, which was granted, were denied. It was determined each case would be tried separately, with one to follow the other.

On September 4, 1990, trial on CRN16862 began before San Diego Superior Court Judge Raymond F. Zvetina. After rulings on in limine motions, the prosecution presented its case through the testimony of San Diego County Deputy Sheriff James Pollard, who executed a search warrant at Pacchioli’s residence on September 19, 1989. Pollard testified as to items found during the search which showed Pacchioli had “dominion and control” of the house and which revealed he had more than 22.6 grams of meth, an arsenal of weapons and a large sum of money in his personal safe in his bedroom.

On cross-examination, Pollard conceded some meth was found next to Keim’s open purse and one or two of the firearms found in the safe were considered valuable collector items. Pollard opined from the amount of meth that it was possessed for sale; it was equal to numerous doses of meth, or to the three-week supply of a very heavy user. Pollard stated Pacchioli was arrested in the presence of Keim at his house on October 19, 1989. At that time, only marijuana in plain sight was seized.

Thereafter, the parties stipulated Pacchioli’s girlfriend Keim was a co-defendant in the case who had not shown up for trial 4 and the meth found in the safe at Pacchioli’s home was 92 percent strength and weighed 22.6 grams. All the prosecution exhibits were entered into evidence without objection.

After the prosecution rested its case, the court denied Pacchioli’s motion for acquittal under section 1118 and he began his defense. Because the trial court ruled the prosecution would be able to impeach him with a statement he used meth (which he made during a probation interview after his initial guilty plea before it was withdrawn), on the advice of counsel, Pacchioli did not testify.

Rather, John Alden Fulkerson, a man who worked for Pacchioli on his property and who, at the time of this first offense, lived in the loft above the *1335 garage on Pacchioli’s property, testified for the defense. Fulkerson had been present with Pacchioli’s girlfriend Keim on the property when the search was executed. He stated Keim was unemployed and he had seen her use drugs several times previously by inhaling powdered meth or crystal into her nose through a straw. Pacchioli’s defense was that the drugs found during the search of his property were Keim’s, not his.

After hearing closing arguments and jury instructions, the jury deliberated and returned a guilty verdict finding Pacchioli had possessed meth for sale.

Before the trial in CRN17668 could commence, Pacchioli again pleaded guilty in that case to possessing meth for sale and admitted he had committed the offense while he was released from custody on bail within the meaning of section 12022.1. Both cases were then set for sentencing.

After various continuances for diagnostic studies, Pacchioli was sentenced to prison for four years. That sentence was corrected on February 4,1991, to run the terms imposed in each case consecutively rather than concurrently, making Pacchioli’s total term four years and eight months.

Pacchioli has timely appealed from both judgments.

Discussion

I-III *

IV

Admissibility of Earlier Statements

Pacchioli’s initial guilty plea in CRN16862 was withdrawn on July 17, 1990. During in limine motions, Pacchioli moved the court to determine the admissibility of his statements made in a sentencing interview with a probation officer before his guilty plea was withdrawn should he choose to testify during trial. The court made a preliminary ruling that the fact of his guilty plea and the statements made to the probation officer could not be used in the prosecutor’s case-in-chief, but deferred ruling on the admissibility of those statements for impeachment purposes.

After ruling on other in limine matters, the court again reviewed the use of the statements and tentatively ruled it would exclude them for all purposes. *1336 However, in doing so, the court outlined its concerns about existing case law and questioned whether the statements were made in a Fifth Amendment situation such as that in Ramona R. v. Superior Court (1985) 37 Cal.3d 802 [210 Cal.Rptr. 204, 693 P.2d 789], which would preclude their use altogether or whether they could somehow be used for impeachment purposes.

Then, after the prosecution’s sole witness testified and was cross-examined, the court again brought up the subject of the use of Pacchioli’s statements to the probation officer. The trial judge noted his long and difficult struggle over the issue, and stated:

“I’m persuaded that the broad general rule of the Harrington [People v. Harrington (1970) 2 Cal.3d 991 (88 Cal.Rptr. 161, 471 P.2d 961)] case, which was decided in 1970, regarding the inadmissibility of statements to a probation officer will, when it is subjected to a Proposition 8 analysis, as was the Miranda [Miranda v. Arizona (1966) 384 U.S. 436 (16 L.Ed.2d 694, 86 S.Ct. 1602, 10 A.L.R.3d 974)] rule in People v. May [(1988) 44 Cal.3d 309 (243 Cal.Rptr. 369, 748 P.2d 307)], be qualified to permit the use of such statements to impeach where the defendant testifies contrary to his prior statement. [][] The policy served by the Harrington rule and Miranda are similar, and all are related to Fifth and Sixth Amendment rights. What gave me the greatest pause was the case of Ramona R., [supra, 37 Cal.3d 802,] because there, somewhat similarly to this case, there was involved a statement to a probation officer. But I’m mindful that Proposition 8 says all relevant evidence is admissible unless there is a statutory rule of evidence regarding—or constitutional rule of evidence regarding privilege [t]hat applies. [1] In Ramona R. the court said there was a legislatively compelled self-incriminatory statement or testimony involved, and they found that in the statutory scheme, making certain cases like murder create a rebuttable presumption that a juvenile was unfit for juvenile treatment. And the court reasoned that that effectively compelled testimony. And where you have effectively a legislative compulsion to testify you must constitutionally have use immunity co-extensive with the compelled testimony. [][] Thus the court there reached the conclusion that you had a statutory rule of evidence regarding privilege involved in that case because they said Evidence Code section 940 incorporates the law of self-incrimination, including that previously alluded to principle, [f] I don’t believe that the present circumstances can be stretched to constitute a legislatively compelled self-incriminatory situation. We don’t have here a pretrial interview by a probation officer as was involved in Ramona R., and we don’t have a rebuttable presumption. Rather what we have is a meeting with a probation officer that doesn’t even occur until the defendant has entered a plea of guilty, which must have a factual basis. I can’t imagine a greater waiver of Fifth Amendment rights *1337 against self-incrimination than the plea of guilt which has to precede this interview with the probation officer. [][] So we have quite a different situation. The defendant, as I say, has already pled guilty with a factual basis. And what he’s meeting with the probation officer for, among other things, is to flesh out factually the plea which he’s already made in open court, and with the advice of counsel. H] So to the extent that the Alesi [People v. Alesi (1967) 67 Cal.2d 856 (64 Cal.Rptr. 104, 434 P.2d 360)] case stands as an exception to the Harrington rule because of the intimate involvement of counsel, I would indicate that I don’t really see any great distinction because counsel has been involved in the very plea of guilt which sent this man to the probation department, and presumably advised him before going to the probation department. I don’t see why there should be some magic in the attorney[]s going to the probation department with the defendant for the probation interview as opposed to sending his client to the probation department. H] To the extent that Harrington has any continued vitality after Proposition 8, at least insofar as impeachment use is concerned, I would say that this impresses me as a situation where there is an exception, and also is a situation where, as I say, there is no statutory rule of evidence regarding privilege that would shield the impeachment use. And thus I would say in the event that the defendant should testify to the contrary of what he told the probation officer, that may be used for impeachment, assuming, of course, that all other requirements of the use of any statement of the defendant are met by the prosecution. [][] That will be the ruling of the court.”

Pacchioli’s counsel then asked the court about whether Pacchioli would be allowed to take the stand and skirt the issue of controlled substances, i.e., not say anything about the ownership of the drugs found in his safe. After further review, and a chambers conference, the court stated for the record that based on People v. Teshara (1904) 141 Cal. 633 [75 P. 338] and People v. James (1976) 56 Cal.App.3d 876, 887-888 [128 Cal.Rptr. 733], “if the thrust of the defendant’s testimony was explicitly or implicitly a denial that the drugs were his, [it] would consider that to be grounds for impeachment by the contrary statement to the probation officer.” Because of the facts in this case, it was the court’s belief that, “short of [Pacchioli’s] acknowledging possession or ownership of the drugs in question, . . . that that was an implicit denial of the charges and therefore would . . . trigger the prosecution’s right to use the impeaching evidence.” The court also noted for the record that the prosecutor had made an offer to sanitize the statement to delete any mention of it having been made to a probation officer if Pacchioli chose to testify.

After the prosecution rested its case, and the court denied a defense motion to dismiss all charges under section 1118, defense counsel stated *1338 Pacchioli would not testify in his defense based on the court’s earlier evidentiary ruling concerning the statements to the probation officer.

On appeal, Pacchioli does not contend his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination was violated by the trial court’s evidentiary ruling, but rather contends the ruling was violative of his constitutional due process rights under the Fourteenth Amendment. He bases this assertion on the withdrawal of his earlier guilty plea and the requirement the status quo ante be restored, i.e., that the parties are placed by the law in the position each had before entering into the contract. (See In re Sutherland (1972) 6 Cal.3d 666, 672 [100 Cal.Rptr. 129, 493 P.2d 857].) Because the process of accepting, implementing and withdrawing plea bargains is governed by due process (People v. Mancheno (1982) 32 Cal.3d 855, 860 [187 Cal.Rptr. 441, 654 P.2d 211]), Pacchioli argues the ruling, by failing to treat him as if he had never talked with the probation officer, violated his rights to a fair trial by returning him, but not the prosecution, to the status quo ante, thereby chilling his right to testify on his own behalf, which is guaranteed by the federal and California Constitutions. (Rock v. Arkansas (1987) 483 U.S. 44, 51-53 [97 L.Ed.2d 37, 107 S.Ct. 2704]; People v. Robles (1970) 2 Cal.3d 205, 215 [85 Cal.Rptr. 166, 466 P.2d 710].)

In further support of his due process argument, Pacchioli relies upon People v. Hicks (1971) 4 Cal.3d 757 [94 Cal.Rptr. 393, 484 P.2d 65] and People v. Harrington (1970) 2 Cal.3d 991 [88 Cal.Rptr. 161, 471 P.2d 961] which reaffirmed the holding of People v. Quinn (1964) 61 Cal.2d 551 [39 Cal.Rptr. 393, 393 P.2d 705] that “admissions made to a probation officer in the hope that candor will persuade the probation officer to make a favorable report to the court are not admissible either for substantive evidence or for impeachment in any retrial on the same issues.” (People v. Harrington, supra, 2 Cal.3d at p. 999; People v. Hicks, supra, 4 Cal.3d at pp. 762-763.) Pacchioli argues the policy considerations behind the holdings of these cases in favor of “free and unfettered communication between a defendant and the probation authorities” (People v. Hicks, supra, 4 Cal.3d at p. 763) are consistent with his due process claim. Thus he asserts it would be fundamentally unfair to encourage his candor and then use his candid statements against him at his subsequent trial.

Pacchioli’s arguments, while claiming to be based only upon due process claims, shade softly into the Fifth Amendment arena. We therefore examine the interplay of both in the area of evidentiary exclusionary rules before concluding Pacchioli was denied neither due process nor a fair trial.

Initially we note the parties and the court below were fully aware that California law, even before Proposition 8, recognized an exception to the *1339 Harrington and Hicks rules of exclusion for statements made by a defendant to his probation officer under the “guiding hand of counsel, which were volunteered without asserting a claim of privilege or confidentiality at the time they were made. (People v. Alesi (1967) 67 Cal.2d 856, 858-861 [64 Cal.Rptr. 104, 434 P.2d 360], as limited by People v. Harrington, supra, 2 Cal.3d at p. 1000.) Pacchioli, however, disputes he made the statements about his personal drug use to the probation officer under the “guiding hand of counsel.” As the law in California since the enactment of Proposition 8 has followed the federal standards for the admissibility or exclusion of evidence in criminal trials, and such is dispositive in this case, we need not resolve this question.

Returning to Pacchioli’s premise he was denied due process by the trial court’s ruling his statements to the probation officer could be used to impeach him if he testified, we note the effect of Proposition 8, adopted in 1982, which added article I, section 28 to the California Constitution, was to abrogate judicial exclusionary rules based upon the self-incrimination privilege, except where the exclusion of evidence was required by the United States Constitution. (People v. May (1988) 44 Cal.3d 309, 319.) Because the federal rule, as set out in Harris v. New York (1971) 401 U.S. 222 [28 L.Ed.2d 1, 91 S.Ct. 643], provides that statements made to police under circumstances rendering them inadmissible under Miranda on the prosecution’s case-in-chief can be admitted for purposes of impeachment of a testifying defendant whose trial testimony conflicts with earlier statements, our Supreme Court, in People v. May, supra, 44 Cal.3d at page 319, held “no privilege, statutory or otherwise,” protects a defendant from such impeachment in a case where extrajudicial statements are made in violation of the defendant’s constitutional rights against self-incrimination and the right to counsel. (Id. at pp. 315^316, 319.) The court in May specifically noted in reference to any violation of other constitutional rights, “[a]s Harris explains, ‘Every criminal defendant is privileged to testify in his own defense, or to refuse to do so. But that privilege cannot be construed to include the right to commit perjury. [Citations.]’ ” (Id. at p. 319 citing Harris v. New York, supra, 401 U.S. at p. 225 [28 L.Ed.2d at p. 4] and adding italics.)

Moreover, our Supreme Court in People v. Markham (1989) 49 Cal.3d 63 [260 Cal.Rptr. 273, 775 P.2d 1042], 10 noted, as it did in May, that only “legislatively compelled testimony cannot be used against the testifier for *1340 any purpose under the federal Constitution. (See New Jersey v. Portash (1979) 440 U.S. 450, 458-459 . . .)” (People v. Markham, supra, 49 Cal.3d at pp. 68-69.)

Based on Proposition 8, May and federal law, People v. Goodner (1992) 7 Cal.App.4th 1324 [9 Cal.Rptr.2d 543] recently determined the statements of a defendant made in a probation report were admissible in a subsequent trial to prove the nature of a prior conviction, holding they were not legislatively compelled. (Id. at p. 1332.) The court in Goodner also concluded “Evidence Code section 940 does not preserve the judicially created exclusionary rule set forth in Hicks, [supra, 4 Cal.3d 757], in light of both the holding in Minnesota v. Murphy [1984] 465 U.S. 420 [79 L.Ed.2d 409, 104 S.Ct. 1136][ 11 ] and in light of the intent of the California voters to dispense with exclusionary rules that federal law does not absolutely compel.” (People v. Goodner, supra, at p. 1332.)

We agree with Goodner a defendant’s statements made to a probation officer during a presentence interview in hopes of obtaining a more favorable disposition are not compelled absent some showing the statements were legislatively mandated or otherwise involuntarily made. Here Pacchioli has made no such showing. Thus applying the rules of law set out in Harris, and acknowledged in May and Markham, we conclude Pacchioli’s Fifth Amendment rights were not violated under the circumstances of this case.

The issue then becomes whether Pacchioli’s statements, which were not legislatively compelled and which under Proposition 8 and federal law would be admissible for impeachment purposes, should have been excluded because Pacchioli was allowed to withdraw his plea, thereby placing him in the position of being once again an innocent person charged with a crime. Pacchioli claims the trial court’s ruling was fundamentally unfair because it *1341 placed him in the position he was in before his plea, but placed the prosecution in a position to use information obtained after the plea.

We find Pacchioli’s situation not unlike that of the probationer who commits a crime and has his probation revocation hearing before his trial on the new offense which triggered the revocation. Under those circumstances “there is the policy of maintaining ‘ “a fair state-individual balance” ’ at the subsequent criminal trial ‘ “by requiring the government... in its contest with the individual to shoulder the entire load.” ’ [Citations.] Together with the demands of due process that an accused be presumed innocent and that his guilt be established beyond a reasonable doubt [citations], the privilege against self-incrimination requires the prosecution in a criminal trial to produce sufficient evidence to establish the defendant’s guilt before he must decide whether to remain silent or to testify in his own behalf. [Citations.]” (People v. Coleman (1975) 13 Cal.3d 867, 875-876 [120 Cal.Rptr. 384, 533 P.2d 1024], original italics, fns. omitted.)

In People v. Coleman, supra, 13 Cal.3d 867, our Supreme Court recognized the tension often created between competing constitutional rights in criminal proceedings and noted federal law requires only the most rudimentary, rather than the most reasonable, procedures to ensure fundamental fairness to a defendant. (Id. at pp. 875-889.) In resolving the countervailing constitutional rights in that case, the court in Coleman fashioned a judicial rule of evidence allowing, on timely objection, the exclusion of any statements made at the revocation hearing from being used as evidence in the case-in-chief at the trial of the new offense, but not permitting exclusion if the defendant’s testimony at the revocation hearing was “clearly inconsistent” with his testimony on direct examination at the trial. (Id. at p. 889.) This rule ensured the defendant’s due process rights by requiring the prosecution to prove the defendant’s guilt through evidence obtained by its own lawful investigative efforts, and not by that obtained from the mouth of the defendant himself. (Id. at p. 892.)

Although the trial court here, in determining Pacchioli’s statements would be admissible for impeachment purposes should he testify, did not discuss Coleman, which by its language was specifically limited to probation revocations, its ruling complies with Coleman’s exclusionary rule, and in turn comports with the federal rule based on Harris, discussed above. We thus cannot say that the trial court’s ruling was erroneous or that Pacchioli was denied due process or a fair trial.

In so concluding, we do not reach the issue the Attorney General’s office would have us determine, whether the Luce-Collins (Luce v. United States *1342 (1984) 469 U.S. 38, 43 [83 L.Ed.2d 443, 105 S.Ct. 460]; People v. Collins (1986) 42 Cal.3d 378, 385 [228 Cal.Rptr. 899, 722 P.2d 173]) rule 12 should foreclose Pacchioli from complaining about the trial court’s ruling on his statements because he did not testify at trial. Suffice it to say, even if we found the trial court’s ruling erroneous, it is certainly arguable, as the court in Collins found to be the case, any conclusion concerning prejudice in the ruling would be “wholly speculative.” (Id. at p. 384.)

Disposition

The judgments are affirmed.

Todd, Acting P. J., and Nares, J., concurred.

A petition for a rehearing was denied October 16, 1992, and appellant’s petition for review by the Supreme Court was denied January 14, 1993.

2

All statutory references are to the Penal Code unless otherwise specified.

3

Because Pacchioli basically raises fact-specific issues and does not challenge the sufficiency of the evidence to support his convictions, we summarize the procedural facts in this section and elaborate on the pertinent facts relevant to each issue in the discussion of that issue.

4

As not to prejudice Pacchioli, the court accepted the stipulation and later instructed the jury no consciousness of guilt could be attributed to Pacchioli by Keim’s absence at trial.

*

See footnote, ante, page 1331.

10

Markham held the “beyond a reasonable doubt standard of proof” previously required under People v. Jimenez (1978) 21 Cal.3d 595, 605 [147 Cal.Rptr. 172, 580 P.2d 672] for determining whether the exclusion of confessions and admissions otherwise admissible must be compelled in a criminal case no longer applied and the federal standard of “by a *1340 preponderance of the evidence” controlled such determinations since the passage of Proposition 8. {People v. Markham, supra, 49 Cal.3d at p. 71.)

11

In Murphy, the United States Supreme Court held that a probationary defendant’s general obligation to appear and answer questions truthfully did not convert his otherwise voluntary statements into compelled statements. (Minnesota v. Murphy (1984) 465 U.S. 420 at pp. 429-430 [79 L.Ed.2d at pp. 429-421, 104 S.Ct. 1136].) The defendant in Murphy was not advised of his privilege against self-incrimination and he was threatened by the probation officer that his probation would be revoked if he lied. (Id. at pp. 431-435 [79 L.Ed.2d at pp. 421-425].) The court specifically stated, “that since Murphy revealed incriminating information instead of timely asserting his Fifth Amendment privilege, his disclosures were not compelled incriminations. Because he had not been compelled to incriminate himself, Murphy could not successfully invoke the privilege to prevent the information he volunteered to his probation officer from being used against him in a criminal prosecution.” (Id. at p. 440 [79 L.Ed.2d at p. 428].) The court reasoned the admonition Murphy answer truthfully proscribed only false statements, it did not prohibit him from invoking his Fifth Amendment rights, and there was no threat made his probation would be revoked if he chose to remain silent.

12

The Luce-Collins rule provides: “[T]o raise and preserve for review the claim for improper impeachment with a prior conviction, a defendant must testify.” (Luce v. United States, supra, 469 U.S. at p. 43 [83 L.Ed.2d at p. 448].)

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